An Award for Joel Przybilla?

A few days I was asked the following by Henry Abbott (of TrueHoop):

It’s possible he won’t qualify, but if he does come off the bench for more games than he starts, how crazy would I be to lobby for Joel Przybilla as sixth man of the year?

The Competition

To answer this question, we first need to figure out the identity of the competition.  Fortunately, Ian Thomsen of SI.com did a small survey (a very small survey) of advanced scouts and NBA Executives to determine the top candidates for each post-season award.  For the 6th Man of the Year this group listed the following candidates:

1. Jason Terry

2. Travis Outlaw

3. Nate Robinson and Flip Murray

Now this award is chosen by the media, so none of the people Thomsen polled are actually going to determine this award.   Marc Stein, though, is a member of the media.  At ESPN.com he listed his candidates, and he generally concurs with Thomsen’s survey. The top name for Stein is Jason Terry.  And Stein also agrees that Outlaw, Robinson, and Murray are candidates.  But Stein also noted Lamar Odom, J.R. Smith, and Chris Andersen.   Of these names, Stein ranks Odom and Smith just behind Terry.

What do we see if we look at the numbers?  Again, the consensus from Thomsen and Stein seems to be that Terry is the favorite. When we look at Table One, we see that Terry – in terms of Position Adjusted Win Score per 48 minutes [PAWS48] – is above average.  This mark is almost entirely driven by Terry’s scoring.  With respect to the non-scoring aspects of the game we see that Terry is a below average rebounder and not truly outstanding in any other category.

Table One: Evaluating Various Candidates for the 2008-09 6th Man of the Year Award

Although Terry is above average [with respect to PAWS48] other candidates look even better [with respect to PAWS48].  Of the players listed in Table One the top four – again, in terms of PAWS48 – begin with Chris Andersen, who is followed by Lamar Odom, Nate Robinson, and J.R. Smith.  Andersen and Odom are below average scorers, so it seems unlikely either would win this award (although to Stein’s credit, he mentioned both).  Robinson and Smith, though, are scorers.  And it appears both have done more than Terry, at least on a per-minute basis [and if we look at PAWS48]. 

The problem is that basketball players are often evaluated in terms of totals.  And when we think of totals – at least scoring totals – Terry is still tops. 

But what if we think of a different total?  What if we focus on Wins Produced totals? 

As the following list indicates, if we focus on wins Lamar Odom is now the top 6th man.

  • Lamar Odom: 8.8 Wins Produced
  • Chris Andersen: 7.9 Wins Produced
  • Nate Robinson: 6.6 Wins Produced
  • J.R. Smith: 6.3 Wins Produced
  • Jason Terry: 4.7 Wins Produced
  • Travis Outlaw: 1.8 Wins Produced
  • Flip Murray: 1.2 Wins Produced

The Przybilla Candidacy

But what of Przybilla, the candidate Henry suggested?  Before I get to Przybilla’s Wins Produced, let me mention a player who I thought of when Henry got me thinking of this award.  Kevin Love, as I noted back in January, has been the top rookie this season. Although the T-Wolves are touting Love for Rookie of the Year, Love has not been mentioned as a favorite for this award (neither Thomsen nor Stein list him among the top three rookies). So how about 6th man of the Year?

Love certainly qualifies.  Minnesota may believe he should be Rookie of the Year, but they have not often thought of him as a starter.  For the season Love has only started 35 games.  Despite not starting, Love has produced 10.3 wins (prior to Saturday night).  So this places him ahead of Odom and Andersen.  Plus Love – as Table Two indicates – is above average as a scorer (at least for a power forward).  So maybe the media should give Love a second look (for both awards).

Table Two: Comparing Kevin Love and Joel Przybilla

Or maybe they should think seriously about Henry’s candidate.  Table Two also reveals that Przybilla is more productive – in terms of PAWS48 – than Love.  Przybilla has also produced 12.7 wins, a mark that I think leads all 6th men (I really didn’t check out every eligible player).

At least, it would lead all 6th men if Pryzbilla qualified.  Saturday night Przybilla started his 41st game, and I believe that disqualifies him for this award.  Still, had he qualified, Henry would have had a good case.  That is if you look past scoring and focus on Wins Produced [or PAWS48].

Two Final Observations

Let me close with two quick notes.

1. Last year’s winner – Manu Ginobili – also had a very good season in 2008-09.  His WP48 of 0.310 is just short of the 0.324 mark posted by Przybilla.  Due to injuries, though, Ginobili only played 44 games.  Consequently – like Przybilla — he is probably not qualified for this award.

2. Henry also noted the following in our discussion:  Full disclosure; I came to you in part with this because I know that your system tends to like guys like Joel.

As I told Henry, this is not uncommon.  People really like Wins Produced when it says good things about their favorite players and/or team.  When it says their favorite players and/or team are not quite as good as they like – or their favorite system of evaluation has issues – then Wins Produced becomes far less popular.  Perhaps a post on this tendency would be a good idea in the future.

As for now, I wish I could have seen Henry launch a campaign to get Przybilla this award.  Unfortunately, Greg Oden couldn’t wrest the starting spot away from Przybilla enough times this season. Next season, though, Oden should be in the starting line-up more often.  So Przybilla should be a candidate for 6th Man of the Year in 2010.  At least, if we focus on Wins Produced [or PAWS48].

- DJ

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What Wins Produced Says and What It Does Not Say

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13 thoughts on “An Award for Joel Przybilla?

  1. Ginobili’s more valuable than Pryzbilla, though… very productive shooting guards are much scarcer than very productive big men, especially given the value of efficient shooting, net possessions, and rebounding.

  2. Hi Dave,

    Just wanted to say thanks for your WOW journal. It is always an interesting, well written read. Thanks for taking the time to compile it.
    Look forward to the next book and the more frequent postings thereafter.

    BTW, Looks like Iverson’s season has vindicated The WOW’s views about inefficient players.

  3. Daniel,
    doesn’t conventional wisdom state that very productive big men are more scarce because very few people are big enough and ever fewer are good enough to be productive? Isn’t that why most basketball experts will say not to trade big for small?

  4. I think what the previous poster was alluding to was a lack of efficient shooting guards according to wow standards. There are many more .2wp48 and above big men then there are shooting guards.

  5. Let’s not forget that the Blazers might end up trading Joel because of their imminent cap and luxury tax concerns.

    Here’s hoping Detroit can pull that off.

  6. brgulker- stop dreaming. The Blazers are not sending Pryz anywhere… he is way to valuable. The man wants to end his career in Portland. He’s okay with coming off the bench or starting. You’re more likely to start dreaming about getting Channing Frye to shore up your middle.

  7. Prof Berri,

    Good analysis. I would expect that Cleveland’s Varajao is one of the most productive 6th men in the league, for similar reasons to Pryzbilla (good rebounding and points/shot). Orlando’s Gortat is also very productive, though I am unsure how much his low minutes are holding him back.

    Going back to the “is he/isn’t he a 6th man?” question, I find that one of Pryzbilla’s great assets that does not get mentioned is that he has been good in both a starting role with significant minutes, and a bench role with diminished minutes. Oden has missed a lot of time with foul/injury problems, and Pryzbilla’s steady play has helped anchor the center position. You alluded to this earlier as a possible reason why Odom was struggling earlier this season. There’s not a lot of players that can be just as effective in 15 minutes as they can in 35.

  8. You did miss a guy playing for your own team Dave… Mr. McDyess has played in 61 games this year starting 29 according to my numbers.

    I have his Est WP48 at .275 and Est. WP at ~10.5. This is assuming all minutes at PF.

    Paul Millsap I have at 38 games started in 74 games. An Est WP48 at .230 and Est. WP at ~10.6

    Marcin “The Polish Hammer” Gortat has a pretty nice Est. WP48 as well.

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