Commenting on Nate Silver’s Melo Effect

Why Carmelo Anthony Is the Ultimate Team Player (and What ‘Advanced’ Stats Miss About Him).

The ‘advanced’ stat in this article from Nate Silver, is Wins Produced.  And here is what Silver argues Wins Produced is missing.

What is missing from formulas like Berri’s is an account of what Anthony does to the rest of the Nuggets. Because he is able to score from anywhere in the court, Anthony draws attention and defenders away from his teammates, sometimes leaving them with wide-open shots. He also allows them to be more selective about the shots that they choose to take, since they know that Anthony can usually get a respectable shot off before the 24-second clock expires if needed.

Silver goes on to provide evidence – detailed in the following table — supporting his contention. 

And then Silver argued…

The effect of a player who improves the rest of his team’s TS% by 3.8 points is extremely substantial: it is works out to their scoring about 5 or 5.5 additional points per game solely on the basis of this efficiency gain. That, in turn, translates into about 15 additional wins per season for an average team, according to a commonly-used formula. This is how Anthony creates most of his value — not in the shots he takes himself, but in the ones he creates for his teammates – and some of the “advanced” formulas completely miss it.

Wins Produced argues that Carmelo Anthony has produced 33.5 wins across his eight seasons.  And that means Anthony is hardly an elite player. But Silver argues that Anthony –because he increases the shooting efficiency of his teammates — is worth 15 additional wins per season.  So Melo – according to Silver’s analysis – is clearly elite.

Silver’s argument certainly reflects conventional wisdom and it appears supported by some empirical evidence.  Unfortunately – as people have noted since Silver’s story appeared – there are some problems with this analysis. 

Before I get started, let me first apologize for the length of this post.  Explaining the issues with this analysis takes more than a few words, so this post may take up some of your time (that is, if you wish to read all of it).

And before I get to the problems, let me also note two basic issues one needs to think about in considering such a study.  The first is statistical significance.  Or more simply, can we confidently declare the estimated relationship actually exists (i.e. is different from zero)?  The second issue is economic significance.  Or (again) more simply, what is the size of the estimated effect? 

If we determine that the estimated relationship probably isn’t real (i.e. isn’t statistically significant), than the second issue isn’t important anymore.  And as I will note, I do not think this relationship actually exists.  Nevertheless, I want to start by noting that even if one insisted that Silver’s simple approach was ‘best’ (as I will note, this approach is not the ‘best’), his calculation of the size of the effect failed to take into account two obvious differences in the players included in the sample.

Calculating an Average

The reason I want to start with the size of the effect is that I think Silver does something ‘odd’ in his calculation.  The table above presents the change in TS% for sixteen players.   Some of these players – like Marcus Camby, Nene Hilario, and Kenyon Martin – have played more than 10,000 minutes with Carmelo Anthony.  Others – like DeMarr Johnson, Voshon Lenard, and Aaron Afflalo – played less than 3,000.  Given these difference in time spent with Melo, one might expect the analysis to take this into account.  But from what I can tell, all Silver did was calculate the simple average change in true shooting percentage.  So whether they played 10,140 minutes (like Kenyon Martin, whose TS% appears to improve 1.8% because of Melo) or 3,276 minutes (like Greg Buckner,  whose TS% appears to improve 8.9% because of Melo), the impact each player’s change has on the overall Melo Effect (the 3.8% impact estimated above) is the same.  One would expect, though, that the analysis should at least present a weighted average.  And if we weight these numbers by minutes played, the reported effect does fall to 3.5%.  

This is not much of a decline.  Then again, weighting by minutes is not the best approach.  This issue here is shot attempts, so a better weighting scheme is to adjust by how many field goals a player is taking.  I didn’t feel like gathering all this data, but I would note that the three of the four players with the largest Melo Effect – Anthony Carter, Greg Buckner, and Chris Andersen – are not known for taking many shots.  Specifically, in the eight seasons where these three players appeared in at least 50 games, none of these players ever averaged more than 6.8 field goals attempted per game for a season [6.8 is the mark Carter posted in 2007-08].  And in five of these seasons, the field goals attempted per game was 4.3 or less.

Again, according to Silver, this trio has three of the four largest Melo Effects.  But even if we could argue that increased shooting efficiency we observe for these players is entirely about Carmelo Anthony (and again, I will note in the moment that this is unlikely), if these players don’t really shoot much then the change in shooting efficiency noted can’t matter much.  Given this observation, one might expect a simply adjustment for the number of shots each player takes.  But again, all we have is a simple average.

Is it All About Melo?

Unfortuntely, even if the weighting of the average was correct, there is a much bigger issue to consider.   As a number of people noted, Silver’s analysis doesn’t consider any other factors.  He argues that the changes we observe in each player’s TS% is entirely about Carmelo Anthony.  But player performance could change for other reasons.  And because other factors could matter, the analysis of the Melo Effect is incomplete – and quite misleading – if no effort is made to control for the other factors. 

To illustrate this point, let’s briefly talk about the study I published on NBA coaching (with Michael Leeds, Eva Markova Leeds, and Michael Mondello).  The purpose of this study (discussed in Stumbling on Wins) was to examine how coaching impacted player performance.  At the onset of the study we first report how player performance changes when the player comes to each coach in our sample.  This analysis did not initially consider any controls.   And the coach that we report having the largest effect was Dan Issel.  Of the fifteen players who came to Issel, twelve posted higher per-minute performance. 

If we were following Silver’s example, we would have stopped at this point and declared Issel the greatest NBA coach [across our sample from 1977-78 to 2007-08].  As we note in the paper, though, other stuff matters.  And when you control for past performance, age, injury, etc…) the impact of Issel vanishes (i.e. Issel’s impact was not statistically significant) and the top coach – according to our analysis – is Phil Jackson.

Of these ‘other factors’, age appears to be one factor Silver should have considered (and people noted this issue as well).   After Buckner, Carter, and Andersen, the top seven players in the Melo Effect rankings includes J.R. Smith, Nene Hilario, DerMarr Johnson, and Aaron Afflalo.  Here is how old each player was when he first became Melo’s teammate.

Smith: 21 years

Hilario: 21 years

Johnson: 24 years

Afflalo: 24 years

Player performance in the NBA – as reported in Stumbling on Wins – tends to peak in the mid-20s.  So each of these players was at an age when improvement in performance was still likely to occur.  To estimate the size of the Melo Effect, the impact of age needed to be considered.

And that is what I attempted to do.  Utilizing the same data set employed to study coaching [i.e. data on players from 1977-78 to 2007-08], I looked at the factors that explained a player’s TS%.  The explanatory factors I considered included past TS%, age, game played (to capture injury), etc….  In addition, I considered a dummy variable, equal to one if a player was in his first year as Carmelo Anthony’s teammate.  If the estimated coefficient for this dummy variable is statistically significant (and positive), then we can conclude that Silver is on to something.  When the model was estimated, though, the Melo dummy variable was clearly insignificant.   In sum, it doesn’t appear that a player’s TS% — when we consider a number of factors that impact player performance – is impacted by joining at team with Carmelo Anthony.

One should note that even if the estimated coefficient was significant we still wouldn’t have been able to conclude that there is a Melo Effect.  Again – as people noted – Melo is not the only factor unique to Denver. The Melo Effect – if it existed – could have been the George Karl Effect.  Or it could have been the Dean Oliver Effect (Oliver is the author of Basketball on Paper and he does statistical analysis for the Nuggets).  Or it could have been the altitude in Denver, or any other factor unique to Denver.

Although this exercise failed to uncover evidence of a Melo Effect, it does serve to highlight an important point about statistical analysis.   If we wish to understand how one factor impacts another, an effort must be made to control for other explanatory factors.  Silver’s analysis didn’t control for anything.  As a consequence, his estimate for the existence and size of the Melo Effect appears to be incorrect.

Quoting from Others

As noted, I was not the only one to note problems with this analysis.  So let me close by noting some of the other points people have made (some of this echoes what I said above).

Let’s begin this tour with links to the words of Andres (Dre) Alvarez (from Nerd Numbers) and Arturo Galletti (from Arturo’s Brilliant Stats). 

Dre — Silver and Gold: Prospecting Melo’s Past  — looks at Melo’s history in Denver.  And Arturo —  in Fanservice: Followup notes on Melo, Rookies  and A simple response to Mr. Silver – looks at how TS% for players in Denver changes with and without Melo.  For this interested in more on this topic, these are excellent reads.  Dre’s point that Denver’s success with Melo is not all about Melo is especially important.

Beyond these posts, let me also reports some of what I have seen in the comment section (and in the interest of space, these are all just partial quotes; please read the comment section for all that people had to say):

from ilikeflowers

  • Don’t you need to look at a bigger population of scorers who might make their teammates better before coming to this conclusion? If you examine n guys who fit the Melo profile and the results in general argue against this teammate effect then isn’t this effect likely to be happenstance (or unpredictable)? And then what about the same effect from lesser (presumably more numerous and cheaper) versions of Melo, so that we can determine the marginal value? What about the effects of Melo’s backups with Denver over all these years? This analysis has all the drawbacks of plus-minus. Of course if the results from a statistically significant sample size then confirm this effect then it’s certainly a valid statement.
  • I’m stunned at this particular statement [In taking all of those shots, however, Anthony has also done something else: he’s made his teammates much more efficient offensive players”]. How can he make a statement on causality based upon the evidence that he presents? It would have been so much better for him to just say: ‘When Anthony is on the floor his teammates are much more efficient offensive players’ and then let his audience make of that what they will.

from John Giagnorio

  • Why does Anthony get credit for improving his teammates even when he is not on the court? Was it that difficult to break down the data further?
  • Why use TS% instead of eFG%? Does Anthony deserve credit for his teammates becoming better free throw shooters? Look at Iverson’s age 22 and age 32 seasons. The eFG% is identical, but he’d become a much better foul shooter.
  • Take a look at Nene’s career on basketball-reference. He’s played all of 1 year without Anthony, yet his TS% didn’t really improve until 08-09.

from Italian Stallion

  • High usage scorers that often get doubled should be in a position to get a lot of assists, but Melo doesn’t.
  • The article gives all the credit for the improvement in the TS% of his teammates to Melo when it could easily be partially be Billups (an underrated PG), better coaching, a combination of players, or random.
  • IMO he should not have compared a players lifetime TS% to his TS% with Melo because the one thing most good players do over time is improve their shot selection and shot. So most good players improve their TS% also as they develop. He is probably giving Melo credit for the natural improvement of the players.
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From Philip

  • TS% is only a part of what determines wins, acquiring the ball and preventing your opponent from doing so also are important, or so I’ve read in one of the basketball blogs that I frequent. So even if had demonstrated that Anthony improves his teammates’ scoring efficiency, it’s a narrow view; what if Melo’s teammates are rebounding less and turning the ball over more?
  • While I agree that it’s pretty laughable that Melo could impact his teammates’ FT% (what, does he give better high-fives between shots?), he could conceivably improve their FT rate by passing them in a situation where they are more likely to be fouled while shooting. This would improve their TS%, though not their EFG%. However, Silver has failed to show any correlation between playing with Anthony and an increase in FT rate, much less a causative link.
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from Peter (commenting at Nerd Numbers)

  • Even with the changes in true shooting percentage, as a stat major, there is also the concept of statistical significance. In a nutshell, yes, most of the players that played with Anthony improved their true shooting percentage. But it is possible that, at least for some players, it is highly likely that their improvement is not “significant”, that is, they could have had that performance with or without Anthony based upon measuring their previous performance. And if they could have had those performances with or without Anthony, then Anthony was not the reason why they shot so well.
  • Expounding on the previous point, two of the players with the biggest gains, Nene and J.R. Smith, played some of the fewest minutes of the group before Anthony arrived. Even with their great gains, at least some of their improvements may have been age-related, not Anthony-related.
  • The author only addresses shooting. Winning basketball games entails great shooting, obviously, but it also requires rebounding, assists, etc. When you look at Anthony’s non-scoring statistics, for example, he is below average with respect to the average shooting guard in turning the ball over and fouling, which are activities that do not help the Nuggets win, let alone help his teammates shoot. The author even admits that Anthony’s assists are below average with respect to other scorers such as Bryant and James. Besides, the reasoning behind Berri’s metric is that scoring *isn’t* all that there is to winning games, and as such, he tries to reward players who contribute in ways other than scoring, which hurts Anthony.

When we look at these comments we certainly see some similarities.  A number of people have noted that Silver failed to show causality (so he overstated his case), failed to show statistical significance, and failed to control for other factors (like age).  

Let me close by repeating something others have noted.  During the past two elections I have enjoyed reading Silver’s analysis (and the analysis from other people at FiveThirtyEight).  And I want to emphasize that what ever you think of Silver’s analysis of Carmelo Anthony, the analysis of the Melo Effect doesn’t tell us anything about the quality of analysis offered on other topics.  In other words, it is incorrect to argue that because Silver may not have gotten this story right, all the other stories he tells also have problems.  Such an approach would be drawing an inference from a sample of one.  And yes, a sample of one isn’t statistically significant as well.  

- DJ

P.S. Again, sorry for the length of this post.  It is more than 2,700 words and if you got to the end… well, I am not sure this was the best way to spend your time.  For my next post I will try and say less (and I hope not to use the word “Melo” at all). 

Why is LeBron James a More Productive Player than Carmelo Anthony?

The Nets and Knicks May Be Better Off Without ‘Melo.   Such is the argument made by Jared Diamond in today’s Wall Street Journal.  According to the article…

Mr. Anthony is on pace to finish this season worth the equivalent of 6.8 wins, using the metric “Wins Produced” that predicts how statistics correlate to winning. Developed by Southern Utah University economics professor David Berri, Wins Produced devalues scoring totals in favor of other stats, particularly shooting efficiency.

Essentially, Mr. Anthony scores like an elite player, but he requires more shots to put up his numbers than a true superstar. This season, Mr. Anthony holds an effective field goal percentage—a weighted statistic that takes 3-pointers into account—of 45.1%. By comparison, LeBron James’s effective field goal percentage is 52%. A franchise player, Mr. Berri says, will produce between 25-30 wins a season. Chris Paul is on pace to have 25.8 Wins Produced this season. Last year, Mr. James had 27.2, and Dwight Howard had 22.3.

Across the past few days, Jared and I had numerous conversations on the relative merits of Carmelo Anthony.  Given the length of his article (less than 300 words), much of this conversation had to be left out of the published story.  But all is not lost.  As I told Jared, whatever he couldn’t use in his article I would offer at the Wages of Wins Journal and/or at Huffington Post.

It is my plan to offer something at Huffington this weekend.  For tonight, let me focus on one comparison that I thought was especially interesting. 

The article in the Wall Street Journal makes two observations:

  • Carmelo Anthony is not an elite player
  • Carmelo Anthony will not dramatically impact the fortunes of the Nets or Knicks.

In constructing this argument, a comparison between Carmelo and other elite players was offered.  For here, I wish to expand upon one of these comparisons.  Specifically, I would like to discuss the difference between LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.

Both LeBron and Melo entered the NBA in 2003.  And since that time, LeBron has scored 16,266 points while Carmelo has only scored 13,429.  So clearly, King James is better.

But wait… LeBron has also appeared in 44 more games and played nearly 4,000 additional minutes.  If we look at performance per 48 minutes, we see that LeBron has scored 32.5 points while Melo has scored 33.1.  So Carmelo is just as potent as a scorer as LeBron.  Given the primacy of scoring in the evaluation of players, it is not surprising that when people see Carmelo they see an elite player.

Of course, there is much more to the evaluation of players than scoring totals.  And when we consider everything these players do – via Wins Produced and WP48 [Wins Produced per 48 minutes] – we see the following:

  • LeBron James’ Wins Produced in 2010-11: 10.4 [0.328 WP48
  • Carmelo Anthony’s Wins Produced in 201o-11: 3.1 [0.140 WP48]
  • LeBron James’ Wins Produced in 2009-10: 27.2 [0.441 WP48]
  • Carmelo Anthony’s Wins Produced in 2009-10: 6.8 [0.108 WP48]
  • LeBron James’ Career Wins Produced: 150.5 [0.310 WP48]
  • Carmelo Anthony’s Career Wins Produced: 33.5 [0.083 WP48]

These numbers suggest that Carmelo is capable of being above average (average WP48 is 0.100) but for his career he is slightly below average (partially because – like LeBron – he has apparently spent time at power forward).  In contrast, LeBron is at least three times better than average.  And last year, LeBron posted a WP48 that was four times mark of an average player.

Okay, James is much more productive than Anthony.  Now let’s explore why.  What follows are the per 48 minute box score numbers for each player.  

When we look at free throw attempts, points scored, rebounds, turnovers, net possessions, and blocked shots, neither player is consistently better when we consider performance this year, last year, and across each player’s respective careers.  Given that LeBron is consistently more productive, we must look beyond these factors for an explanation.

And what do we have left? Shooting efficiency from the field, steals, and assists. The difference with respect to steals is actually quite small.  So the real difference between LeBron and Carmelo is that

  • LeBron is much more likely to hit the shots from the field he takes.
  • As a consequence, LeBron requires fewer shots to score essentially the same number of points Carmelo scores per 48 minutes.
  • And perhaps because LeBron is taking fewer shots, he can spend more time looking for his teammates. 

So it is essentially differences in shooting efficiency (and assists) that have resulted in LeBron producing about five times the wins produced by Melo.

The difference between LeBron and Melo led me to note the following in my conversation with Jared (not in the article, since again, he was limited to 300 words):

Basketball is a simple game where the objective is to take the ball away from the opponent (before they score), keep the ball away from the opponent, and put the ball in the basket.  If you can do this, you will win.

Player evaluation in the NBA, though, focuses primarily on scoring totals.  Scoring totals, though, are a function of shooting efficiency and shot attempts.  When we compare LeBron and Carmelo, we see two players with very similar scoring totals.  But LeBron is a more efficient scorer.  In other words, Carmelo can only match LeBron’s scoring totals because he is more willing to take shots away from his teammates.  LeBron can score as much as Carmelo with fewer shots, and since LeBron is a more willing passer, he is able to set up efficient shots for his teammates as well.  As a consequence – although LeBron and Carmelo are not much different with respect to possession factors (i.e. rebounds, steals, and turnovers) – LeBron produces far more wins than Carmelo.

Let me close with three observations.

  • NBA fans probably accept the idea that Carmelo Anthony is not as productive as LeBron James.
  • However, I think many NBA fans don’t think the difference is quite as great as it appears to be when we consider Wins Produced.
  • And those who consider Wins Produced may not have known that these players were quite similar with respect to possession factors but very different with respect to shooting efficiency from the field.

Then again, maybe you already knew all of this.  And if that is the case, you just read more than 1,000 words that did nothing to further your knowledge of Carmelo, LeBron, or the NBA (and hopefully I will do better with my next post).

- DJ

Final Quarterback Rankings for 2010 and Some Football Thoughts

A few days ago I was watching a panel discussion on quarterbacks on the NFL Network.  Or maybe it was at ESPN.  Actually I am not sure.  In fact, I am not sure who was on the panel.  I do remember, though, the discussion.

The discussion focused on the value of Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers.  And one person on the panel – who said he was a “numbers guy” – argued that Rodgers was clearly the better quarterback.  Another member of the panel, though, argued that Cutler didn’t have the same quality of teammates.  Therefore, it was not surprising that Cutler didn’t have the same numbers. Consequently, maybe Cutler was the better quarterback. 

My response to this debate:  I agree. 

In other words, I sort of agree with both sides. 

People have argued that the numbers in basketball are misleading because of the interactions between teammates.  I have looked into this claim (repeatedly) and find that the size of these interactions appear quite small (see the FAQ page for some of this discussion – and see Stumbling on Wins for even more).  So when it comes to basketball, we really can use the box score numbers to accurately evaluate individual players.

In football, though, these interactions appear to be much greater.  At least, when we look at the numbers we see a great deal of inconsistency. A quarterback’s past performance is a relatively poor predictor (at least, relative to what we see in basketball) of a quarterback’s future performance.  Part of this inconsistency is due to injuries (very common in football) and the small number of games football players actually play.  But one suspects, part of this is also due to the fact a quarterback’s numbers depend upon the quality of his receivers, offensive line, and running backs.  So if you are looking at the numbers of two quarterbacks, you have to consider who the quarterback is playing with (and let’s not forget, who the quaterback gets to play).

And all that means the conclusions we can reach with the numbers from football are going to be somewhat weak.  That being said, since we have some numbers, let’s leap to some weak conclusions.

Before we get to the conclusions, let’s look at the numbers.  The following table reports – for all quarterbacks who participated in at least 100 plays this past season – each quarterback’s QB rating (the NFL’s metric), total yards (including yards from passing, rushing, and sacks), total plays (pass attempts, rushing attempts, and sacks), all turnovers (interceptions and fumbles lost), Wins Produced (a metric detailed in The Wages of Wins, Stumbling on Wins, and other places), and Wins Produced per 100 plays (WP100).

And what do these numbers indicate?  Whether we look at QB Rating or WP100, the top three quarterbacks in 2010 were Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, and Aaron Rodgers.  Although the two metrics agree on the top three quarterbacks, there are some disagreements after this point.  Specifically, QB Rating appears to overrate the play of Matthew Stafford, David Garrard, Rex Grossman, Jay Cutler, and Joe Flacco (each of these players is ranked at least 10 spots higher by QB Rating relative to WP100).  And QB Rating underrates the play of Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, and Donovan McNabb (each of these players is ranked at least 10 spots higher by WP100 relative to QB Rating). 

As one might suspect, I prefer the WP100 rankings (for reasons detailed in The Wages of Wins, Stumbling on Wins, and other places).  So what are some of the stories this specific ranking tells?

  • Of the 48 quarterbacks who saw at least 100 plays of action, Tim Tebow was a top 10 quarterback in 2010.  Yes, Tebow was “good”.  Does this mean Tebow will be good in the future?  Again, quarterbacks are inconsistent.  But his numbers this year were “good”.
  • Of the two Smiths employed in San Francisco, Troy was a top 10 quarterback and Alex… well, he wasn’t.  So maybe the Niners should have stayed with Troy.
  • NFL quarterbacks participated in 19,784 plays in 2010 and produced 90.56 wins.  Given these numbers, per 100 plays an NFL quarterback produced 0.458 wins.  And that means, Alex Smith – with a WP100 of 0.445 — produced at a rate that was only slightly below what we saw from a typical NFL quarterback.  So maybe Alex Smith can help someone in the future (i.e. a team that employes a substantially below average quarterback like the Carolina Panthers).
  • Fourteen teams have more than one quarterback listed.  For some teams – like the Arizona Cardinals (Derek Anderson and John Skelton), Carolina Panthers (Jimmy Clausen and Matt Moore), Denver Broncos (Tim Tebow and Kyle Orton), Detroit Lions (Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton), and Minnesota Vikings (Joe Webb and Brett Favre) the overall rankings of each quarterback on the same team are virtually the same (within three spots in the rankings).  That suggests (but only suggests) that each quarterback’s success or failure was about the players around the quarterback and not the person actually taking the snaps from center.
  • For other teams – like the Buffalo Bills (Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards), Philadelphia Eagles (Michael Vick and Kevin Kolb), and Washington Redskins (Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman), the rankings of each quarterback on the same team differ by 20 spots or more.  That suggests that the quality of quarterbacks employed by these teams was quite different.
  • The best rookie quarterbacks – according to WP100 – were as follows: Tim Tebow (drafted 25th overall), Colt McCoy (drafted 85th overall), Sam Bradford (drafted 1st overall), Joe Webb (drafted 199th overall), John Skelton (drafted 155th overall), and Jimmy Clausen (drafted 48th overall).  Obviously Sam Bradford played the most.  And as we have seen in the past, those drafted higher got to play more in 2010.  But on a per-play basis, those drafted higher did not seem to perform better.  Of course, those drafted higher did get paid a great deal more.
  • By the way, if we look back on the 2009 draft, the top quarterbacks in 2010 (of those who got to play) were as follows: Josh Freeman (drafted 17th overall), Mark Sanchez (drafted 5th overall), and Matthew Stafford (drafted 1st overall).   So would the Lions have been better off drafting Josh Freeman or Mark Sanchez? Certainly each choice would have been cheaper if the Lions managed to trade down to make the selection.  Of course, one could argue that a healthy Stafford is still the better choice.  Then again, one could also argue that Stafford has yet to be healthy. 

Once again, one has to remember that whether you are “numbers guy” or not, the numbers we see in football don’t allow us to reach strong conclusions about the play of individual quarterbacks.  One suspects that given a change in teammates, quality of competition, coaching, etc., the numbers we see from any quarterback could go up or down considerably.  And that means, we should be hesitant to conclude that any of these quarterbacks are substantially “better” or “worse” than any other quarterback (and therefore, paying one quarterback much more than you pay another – in many cases (although perhaps not all) – is not wise).

Okay, enough about quarterbacks.  Let’s talk about the Lions (my team).

Across the last four games of the season – which is the only sample that matters (since games in December, as I think I have heard people say, are where we separate the true contenders from the pretenders) – the Lions were 4-0.  And those four victories came against somewhat okay teams (Green Bay Packers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Miami Dolphins, and Minnesota Vikings).  So the Lions are clearly one of the best teams in the NFL (at least, I think so).

Of course, some might say “why not look at the entire season?”  Okay, let’s do this.  Pro-Football-Reference.com provides the Simple Rating System, which considers a team’s margin of victory and strength of schedule.  The Lions average margin of victory was -0.4 while their strength of schedule was 2.3 (in other words, the Lions played teams that were better than average – since average strength of schedule would be 0.0).  If we put these two numbers together we get and SRS of 1.9. And that mark ranks the Lions 7th in the NFC; and also ranks the Lions ahead of the Kansas City Chiefs and Seattle Seahawks (two teams in the playoffs).   

So the “Roar has been Restored” in Detroit.  Okay, maybe that’s a bit too strong.

Let me close by noting the Lions performance in 2010 – according to SRS and Pro-Football-Reference.com– was the 17th best performance by a Lions team since 1960.  And if the Lions can get their SRS to 5.0 next season– a mark exceeded by six teams in 2010 – the 2011 Lions will do something that only one Lions team (in 1995) has done since 1981.  Yes, the Lions history is not one of amazing teams (unless we go back before I was born or more importantly, before the Ford family bought this team). 

Update: The quarterback numbers (i.e. the stats that comprise yards, plays, and turnovers) were found at Yahoo.com.

- DJ

Wages of Winning at Three Shades of Blue

Chip Crain – at Three Shades of Blue – recently sent along a number of questions regarding the Memphis Grizzlies.  My answers – which cover such topics as the play of Mike Conley, Rudy Gay, and Marc Gasol — have now been posted in an interview Chip has called Wages of Winning in 2011

Here is how Chip graciously introduces our discussion:

Every year around this time 3 Shades of Blue turns to our favorite statistical mastermind, Professor David Berri of Southern Utah University and auther of the successful book Wages of Wins: Taking Measure of Many Myths in Modern Sports, to discuss the Grizzlies season and why – if at all – the team’s fans should be optimistic about the future.

This past summer Prof. Berri along with Martin B. Schmidt released a 2nd book, Stumbling on Wins, to great critical acclaim. The book expanded on many of the theories brought forth in the first book. Prof. Berri has been a passionate Detroit Lions fan for years so he can empathize with the plight of the Grizzlies faithful.

Without further ado here’s David.  CLICK HERE TO SEE THE INTERVIEW

Not to spoil the ending, but towards the end I say “John Hollinger and I tend to agree…”  For what we agree on, please read the interview. 

Let me also take this opportunity to comment on something I have seen in the comments.  People on the Internet – especially those who comment under an alias (although people can do while using their real names) – tend to think insults play a role in an argument.   Name-calling, though, is rarely persuasive. That is why I do not like seeing comments like “John Hollinger is an idiot”.  And not surprisingly, I don’t like seeing similar comments about professors at Southern Utah University.  So if you feel the urge to offer these kind of comments, do us all a favor and keep these thoughts to yourself.  And if you can’t, don’t be surprised if your comment gets trashed (and although I cannot promise to police all comments, I do hope people take my advice and police themselves).

- DJ

More on the Evaluation of Amare Stoudemire and Landry Fields

The Knicks this season got off to a very bad start.  And early on, Amare Stoudemire was actually the least productive player in the NBA.  Stoudemire played so poorly, one person offered the following comment (yes, this was Italian Stallion):

Sorry to take this a million miles off topic, but I have to vent.

Amare Stoudemire can’t play basketball to save his life. He’s athletic as hell and can score when he gets a clear path to the basket or decent mid range shot, but he can’t handle, pass, or make plays at all, is mediocre as rebounder at best, and is a turnover machine.

Thanks. I feel better now.

In response to this comment, Andres (Dre) Alvarez – of newly re-designed Nerd Numbers – offered the following:

First off it won’t stay that way. You guys beat a top team in the East with Amare playing like crap. Right now Conley, Rudy Gay and Melo are playing super well. It won’t last. If Randolph and Amare at least return to average (for big men) and Fields keeps playing well then you guys look in good shape. Right now your roster is actually above average on the whole! 40 wins baby. Still it does amaze me that Amare is dead last in Wins Produced right now.

Just as Dre expected, Stoudemire and the Knicks did get better.  In fact, Stoudemire has been playing so well that someone (yes, this was Italian Stallion again) thinks our perspective on Stoudemire would be very different if we ignored his awful start.  Here is what IS recently said about Amare:

“I think it might make sense to look at Amare’s stats for the first 11 games (the Knicks were 3 – and since then (17 – 6).. . . It’s sort of like the Heat. When people evaluate the Heat now, they totally disregard the early games when they were playing very inconsistent basketball while working out their roles and style of play etc….”

Typically I don’t offer analysis over just a part of the season.  But once again, Dre comes through with a response.  And that response (which you should read) indicates that

  • Stoudemire would not be considered MVP if one ignored the first eleven games.
  • Landry Fields is still the primary reason the Knicks have improved.
  • the Knicks do not need to do much to be a contender in the Eastern Conference.

Again, one should read everything Dre has to say on this topic.  And don’t forget to check out the automated Wins Produced numbers.  Yes, this site has also been updated (and it looks great).

Let me close by noting this short post at NYK Mistakes on Landry Fields.  Wins Produced argues that Fields is the primary reason the Knicks have improved this year. John Hollinger’s Player Efficiency Rating, though, disagrees.  According to PERs, Fields is actually below average. The problems with PERs have been documented (in this forum and by Wayne Winston in Mathletics), and so I agree that how PERs evaluates Fields is incorrect.  But there is a part of this brief post where I think I disagree.  The post argues that Hollinger actually “hates” Landry Fields – and again, although I think PER is incorrect – I doubt Hollinger has any feelings for Fields one way or the other.  And the same would be true for people who employ Wins Produced (or any other performance metrics).  In other words, I doubt people who employ Wins Produced in the evaluation of players “love” Dennis Rodman and “hate” Allen Iverson.   At least, that is true for me.

- DJ