Podcast: Impact of NBA Lockout Strategies on Fans & Economies

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Sports economist David Berri discussed David Stern and Billy Hunter’s recent media tour with Mosi Platt from the Miami Heat Index.

Highlights

  • Why do fans like Arturo Galletti and Ty Willinghanz from the Courtside Analyst blog get so upset with lockouts and strikes by professional sports that they refuse to watch the games when the work stoppage is over?
  • In a press conference at the Beverly Hills hotel, Billy Hunter said the owners will experience pain just like the players during the lockout. He said franchise values wouldn’t recover until 2023 and some teams may have to fold if they lockout the players for an entire season. Does that provide the NBPA leverage in collective bargaining?
  • In “Heads the Owners Win, Tails the Players Lose”, Berri argued the NBA owners will get what they want from their negotiations with the players association. If the NBPA is following the same strategy the MLBPA successfully used against Major League Baseball owners in 1994, then how can that be the case
  • What are the differences between the MLBPA and NBPA?
  • Why does the NBPA seem so concerned about system issues? Isn’t the split of BRI the only thing that matters?
  • Previous research by sports economists Dennis Coates and Brad Humphreys illustrated that per capita income was not affected by work stoppages in professional baseball, football and hockey. Additional research showed sales tax receipts in Florida also were not affected by work stoppages in professional sports. Are those findings still relevant in this recession? Does the NBA lockout reveal potential flaws in the Hooters business model?

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Dre here! Mosi Platt has been a podcasting machine this weekend. In case you missed it his other two podcasts can be found here

NFL Week 3: Ray Rice, Eli Manning & Buffalo Bills Brought the Earth, Wind & Fire


The most productive running back and quarterback were Ray Rice and Eli Manning in NFL Week 3 action, but Montario Hardesty and Fred Jackson fueled the most exciting games of the weekend.The NBA Lockout has forced me to start writing a new series of posts for the Wages of Wins Journal: Earth, Wind & Fire. I’ll highlight the most productive running backs and quarterbacks, as well as the most exciting games each week of the NFL season.The metrics for this series will be RB and QB Score for players.

QB Score = Yards – 3*Plays – 30*All turnovers

RB Score = Yards – 3*Plays – 30*Fumbles Lost

Advanced NFL Stats’ Excitement Index and NFL.com’s fan ratings will be used to identify the most exciting games.

Let’s get started…

Earth: Best NFL RBs in Week 3

Rice edged LaDainian Tomlinson by one point for the top RB Score in Week 3 with 164 total yards on 14 plays with no fumbles against the St. Louis Rams. After three weeks, the Rams defense has allowed opponents to put up the highest rushing score in the NFL (rushing score is simply RB Score without receptions).

This spreadsheet ranks all running backs in Week 3 by RB Score. The top five backs are listed below.

  1. Ray Rice (BAL): 122 RB Score, 8.7 per Play
  2. LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ): 121 RB Score, 11.0 per Play
  3. James Casey (HOU): 119 RB Score, 19.8 per Play
  4. Darren McFadden (OAK): 112 RB Score, 5.1 per Play
  5. Fred Jackson (BUF): 110 RB Score, 6.5 per Play

Jackson’s performance in a comeback win over the New England Patriots only ranked fifth in Week 3, but for the season he’s been the most productive running back in the league. Jackson edged out Rice by nine yards for the top spot.

This spreadsheet ranks running backs by RB Score per game this season. The top five backs are listed below.

  1. Fred Jackson (BUF): 84.3 RB Score per Game
  2. Ray Rice (BAL): 81.3 RB Score per Game
  3. Matt Forte (CHI): 78.3 RB Score per Game
  4. Darren McFadden (OAK): 77.0 RB Score per Game
  5. Ryan Mathews (SDG): 72.0 RB Score per Game

Wind: Best NFL QBs in Week 3

Eli Manning took the wind out of Lincoln Financial Field with two big touchdown passes in the first quarter to Brandon Jacobs and Victor Cruz that gave the Giants a 14-0 lead. Manning was more than twice as productive as the average quarterback in Week 3 with
273 yards and no turnovers in just 29 plays against a secondary most people expected to be one of the best in the NFL.

This spreadsheet ranks all quarterback performances from Week 3 by QB Score per Play.

  1. Eli Manning (NYG): 6.4 QB Score per Play, 186 QB Score
  2. Matt Schaub (HOU): 5.6 QB Score per Play, 229 QB Score
  3. Matthew Stafford (DET): 5.0 QB Score per Play, 261 QB Score
  4. Mark Sanchez (NYJ): 4.6 QB Score per Play, 224 QB Score
  5. Matt Hasselbeck (TEN): 4.4 QB Score per Play, 175 QB Score

Manning was the most efficient quarterback in Week 3 but Detroit Lions QB Matthew Stafford put up the biggest numbers. Stafford racked up 417 yards on 52 plays with no turnovers for the Lions’ to beat the Minnesota Vikings in overtime at the Metrodome. Every
other quarterback with over 50 plays in Week 3 turned the ball over.

Stafford’s performance not only guided the Lions to a 3-0 record but also placed his numbers among the elite quarterbacks in the league this season. This spreadsheet ranks all qualified quarterbacks by QB Score per Play for the season. The top five quarterbacks are listed below.

  1. Tom Brady (NWE): 5.6 QB Score per Play, 782 QB Score
  2. Aaron Rodgers (GNB): 4.9 QB Score per Play, 584 QB Score
  3. Tony Romo (DAL): 4.6 QB Score per Play, 538 QB Score
  4. Matthew Stafford (DET): 4.6 QB Score per Play, 579 QB Score
  5. Matt Schaub (HOU): 4.4 QB Score per Play, 458 QB Score

Fire: Best Players from Best Games in Week 3

Colt McCoy’s touchdown pass to Mohamed Massaquoi with 48 seconds left made the Cleveland Browns’ 17-16 win at home over the Miami Dolphins the most exciting game of the weekend, according to the Excitement Index at Advanced NFL Stats. If it wasn’t for that play, McCoy would have gone down as the goat in a loss instead of a hero in the win.

McCoy was half-man, half-terrible against the Dolphins with a QB Score per Play of 1.3 that was only half the production of an average QB on Sunday. He was badly outplayed by Dolphins QB Chad Henne, whose QB Score per Play ranked sixth in the NFL for Week 3. The tide changed for McCoy and the Browns when he completed a short pass to RB Montario Hardesty on fourth down that went for a 10-yard gain.

Before that play, the Dolphins’ probability of winning the game was at 99 percent. Hardesty’s fourth down conversion dropped it to 64 percent. Hardesty kept the Browns in the game with 86 yards on 17 touches and an above average RB Score per Play.

The Browns defense also kept them in the game by holding the Dolphins rushers to the seventh-worst production of any running back committee in the league on Sunday. Rookie RB Daniel Thomas was slightly below average with 122 yards on 26 touches in Cleveland after a solid performance in Week 2, but Reggie Bush was the real problem.

Bush only gained 36 yards on 12 touches and put the ball on the ground for the Browns to recover. He ranked 91st out of 93 running backs in Week 3.

Fans at NFL.com rated the Buffalo Bills 21-point comeback win over the New England Patriots as the best of the weekend. Bills QB Ryan Fitzpatrick threw two less picks than Tom Brady to post a more efficient QB Score per Play.

The Bills defense gave Fitzpatrick the edge over Brady on Sunday, but the Harvard graduate has only been slightly above average for the season with a 3.4 QB Score per Play (average QB Score/Play is 3.2). In my NFL season preview, I said the Bills would have a tough time making the playoffs even if Fitzpatrick had a big season. He’s improved this year, but not enough to carry the Bills into the playoffs
without a lot of help.

Of course, if Fred Jackson continues to be the most productive running back in the NFL and the defense continues to make opposing quarterbacks look bad, then anything can happen.

-Mosi


Mosi Platt (@MIA_Heat_Index) is the Miami Heat writer for the Wages of Wins Network. You can normally find him at the Miami Heat Index. In addition to making sure the  world knows the greatness of Dwyane Wade, Mosi also helps keep haters in line. Mosi makes his own lists of people who spread false information and he checks them twice thanks to his trusty Blackberry.

NBA Cares: Troy Davis

The NBA Cares program has not highlighted players since the lockout started.  But several players should be commended for demonstrating leadership in social responsibility by promoting awareness of Troy Davis, a Georgia prisoner executed at 11:08 PM on Wednesday, September 21, 2011; despite protests from around the world that there was too much doubt about his conviction.

Image courtesy of dabnotu (http://flic.kr/p/amTjUj)

The execution of Troy Davis was a big topic at the Miami Heat Index. The issues surrounding Davis won’t be re-hashed here (click the links for more info), but an interesting aspect of the Davis case was that his supporters and the movement against capital punishment did an incredible job promoting awareness of the issues on Twitter.

According to writer dream hampton, a long-time advocate for Davis, said Twitter allowed activists to reach many more people in 2011 than they ever had in the previous 22 years of fighting for his life. Ytasha Womack, author of Post Black: How a New Generation is Redefining African American Identity, said creating awareness about civil liberty issues through social networks like Twitter has become a core strategy in the 21st century and cited uprisings against dictatorships in the Middle East as a recent example of their power.

The articles at the Miami Heat Index focused on why Mario Chalmers was the only Miami Heat player on Twitter that promoted any type of awareness on Troy Davis, but he was not the only NBA player to speak out. Roughly two dozen other NBA players from the Hoopism.com Social Media Leaderboard also promoted awareness of the Troy Davis case.

It should be a no-brainer for NBA players to promote awareness of capital punishment since 80 percent of the players are black and the Death Penalty Information Center reported in 1998 that “Race is more likely to affect death sentencing than smoking affects the likelihood of dying from heart disease.” Posting a message on Twitter or Facebook is so simple that there’s a low barrier-to-entry for NBA players to get involved in this cause.

Image courtesy of World Coalition Against the Death Penalty (http://flic.kr/p/5wViDW)

Why only one all-star and just 10 percent of the players from the Social Media Leaderboard tweeted about the case was discussed on the Miami HEATcast and won’t be re-hashed here. Since the NBA Cares program doesn’t care about the players right now, I’d like to use this space to shine some light on those players that cared enough about Troy Davis to promote his case to their followers.

The most active tweeter about Troy Davis in the NBA was Donte Greene, forward for the Sacramento Kings. He tweeted about Troy Davis eight times leading up to, and shortly after, his execution. Anthony Morrow, guard for the New Jersey Nets, discussed the issue with seven tweets sent to his 40,891 followers.

Eleven of the 26 players that tweeted about Troy Davis sent multiple tweets like Greene and Morrow: Julian Wright, Terrence Williams, Jeff Green, Mario Chalmers, Jason Richardson, Grant Hill, Greg Monroe, Da’Sean Butler and Anthony Tolliver.

The 15 other players that tweeted about Davis included all-star forward Kevin Durant and former all-star point guard Steve Nash. They were joined by CJ Watson, James Harden, Vince Carter, DeMar DeRozan, Jared Dudley, DeAndre Jordan, TJ Ford, DeJuan Blair, Marquis Daniels, Channing Frye, Jarrett Jack, Trevor Booker and Samardo Samuels.

The 26 players that tweeted about Troy Davis were from 16 different teams and three were free agents. The Suns, Thunder and Spurs were the only teams that featured multiple Troy Davis tweeters. Five players for the Suns sent six tweets about the issue, but the two Thunder players (Harden and Durant) have almost 200,000 more followers than Hill, Nash, Carter, Dudley and Frye.

This document lists all the tweets sent by NBA players from Hoopism’s Social Media Leaderboard and this spreadsheet breaks down the numbers behind those tweets. Hopefully, those numbers will increase as more players comment on human rights issues in the future.

- Mosi

Have Owners’ Bargaining Positions Changed During the NBA Lockout?

The following is originally from the Miami Heat Index. Mosi Platt (@MIA_Heat_Index) has done some brilliant analysis of the NBA owners based on media perception. Enjoy!

You know what makes owners love lockouts? Fining them money!

The bargaining positions of NBA owners reported by Henry Abbott from ESPN last week differ from those reported by Mark Heislerfor the LA Times at the all-star break.The question is, “How much have the owners changed?”  For an answer, we can turn to this post at the Miami Heat Index (which compares the reporting of NBA owners’ bargaining positions by Abbott and Heisler) and this slideshow at Bleacher Report (which analyzes the impact the biggest changes could have on the NBA lockout). Or you can just keep reading.

In February, Heisler reported that nine of 12 members on the NBA’s labor relations committee wanted to drive a hard bargain with the National Basketball Players Association (NBPA), but only one member wanted to cancel games. Last week, Abbott reported only seven of 12 owners on the committee wanted to take a “hard line” with the players, but two of them wanted to cancel games. Voting on the new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) isn’t limited to the committee, however. According to Abbott, it requires a majority vote of 16 owners to ratify a new CBA.

Heisler reported at the all-star break that 24 of 30 NBA owners wanted to drive a hard bargain with the players, and at least four of them would be willing to cancel games to get the collective bargaining agreement they wanted. Last week, Abbott reported that 17 of 30 NBA owners wanted to drive a hard bargain with the players and at least three to six owners would be willing to cancel games.

The following paragraphs summarize the key differences in Abbott and Heisler’s reporting on the positions of owners from the NBA labor relations committee.

Dan Gilbert, Cleveland Cavaliers

In February, Heisler reported that Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert wouldn’t be willing to cancel games because he could make over $20 million dollars operating his team (since they cut payroll after trading LeBron James). Abbott reported that Gilbert would be willing to miss the season because 1) the Cavs stink, 2) it’s one less year Baron Davis gets paid and 3) it’s one less title for LeBron to win.

Miami Heat Index’s HEAT Check: Abbott’s justifications for Gilbert to cancel games and forgo a profitable season don’t pass muster. It seems more credible that the profit motive would supersede spite when it came down to the “Comic Sans Man” voting to cancel a season.

Herb Simon, Indiana Pacers

Heisler reported that Simon was a hawk in the CBA negotiations since he’s lost eight figures owning the team, but he did not want to cancel games or the season. Abbott reported the Pacers’ owner should not be considered a hawk because he does not want a long lockout, just a “reasonable” CBA with a decent portion of revenue sharing on the side.

HEAT Check: It seems reasonable that Simon’s position could change after seeing the Pacers make the playoffs and push the Bulls in four close games before being eliminated in five.

Glen Taylor, Minnesota Timberwolves

Heisler reported that Taylor would go with whatever commissioner David Stern wanted in February. Abbott reported a slight shift in Taylor’s position that has the Timberwolves’ owner driving a harder bargain for incremental improvement but not a completely new system.

HEAT Check: The difference in Heisler and Abbott’s reporting of Taylor’s position shouldn’t make a big difference when it comes down to canceling games. Either way, he’s voting with Stern. If Stern plays hardball, then Taylor probably will, too, and vice versa.

Clay Bennett, Oklahoma City Thunder

Heisler reported Bennett’s small market and expiring rookie contracts for star players like Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook made him a hawk in CBA negotiations, but he also noted the Thunder owner may owe Stern allegiance for backing their move from Seattle. Abbott reported Bennett was a dove, not a hawk, because the Thunder wouldn’t want to miss a season coming off their playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

HEAT Check: The most important reporting on Bennett was his relationship with Stern. The documentary Sonicsgate also reported the longstanding connection between the Thunder owner and NBA commissioner. Like Taylor, it’s very believable that Bennett will go whichever way Stern wants.

Rich DeVos/Bob Vander Weide, Orlando Magic

Heisler reported the Magic’s representative on the labor relations committee was a hawk in CBA negotiations with a focus on adding rules that would facilitate re-signing Dwight Howard. Abbott reported the same concern over Howard but said Magic ownership was a dove in CBA negotiations because they were more concerned about having the best center in the NBA on the court for one last run in their brand new arena.

HEAT Check: It doesn’t really make sense for the Magic to be soft in CBA negotiations because that would be incredibly short-sighted. Why settle for one year of Howard in an expensive, new arena when they could potentially have Howard for multiple years in an expensive, new arena if they just drive a harder bargain with the NBPA?

The labor relations committee is scheduled to meet with the NBPA on Tuesday. The subsequent paragraphs summarize key differences in Heisler and Abbott’s reporting on the collective bargaining positions of owners that aren’t on the labor relations committee but could cost the fans games this season if their influence spreads to other owners when the NBA Board of Governors meets on Thursday.

Donald Sterling, Los Angeles Clippers

Heisler reported that Sterling was a CBA hawk “sharpening talons” at the all-star break, but Abbott reported the Clippers owner was a dove who wanted to “let the Blake Griffin money machine keep rolling.”

HEAT Check: It’s good news for fans if Sterling’s position has changed, but Heisler’s reporting in February may have been more accurate since he worked for the LA Times while Abbott lives in New Jersey. TrueHoop’s Kevin Arnovitz ran a blog about the Clippers but it’s a good bet he didn’t have Heisler’s sources. Additionally, Abbott admitted that Sterling thought the last CBA was a horrible deal for the owners so it’s unlikely that he would completely reverse his position. Bad news for fans is that Sterling would likely vote to cancel games and perhaps the season.

Herb Kohl, Milwaukee Bucks

Heisler reported that Kohl absorbed big losses owning the Bucks, but did not report that he would support canceling the season. Abbott reported those losses resulted in Kohl being ‘as hardcore as anyone’ looking to overhaul the system.

HEAT Check: It’s bad news for fans if the Bucks owner would vote to cancel the season. While the number of owners willing to go that far still constitute a minority, it decreases the pool of owners that would potentially ratify a new CBA that didn’t meet all of the owners demands and thus extend the lockout.

Joe and Gavin Maloofs, Sacramento Kings

Heisler reported the Maloofs were not the “burn-the-village-to-save-it types” and thus not likely to support cancellation of games but Abbott reported the Kings owners could potentially profit from the lockout.

HEAT Check: If the Maloofs’ willingness to work with the city of Sacramento is altruistic, then perhaps they’re not the scorched earth types. If they’re as phony as Clay Bennett and Abbott’s reporting is accurate, then it’s more potential bad news that NBA fans could face an even longer lockout.

Larry Tanenbaum, Toronto Raptors

Heisler reported the Raptors were relatively secure financially with fans buying NBA tickets to ensure good seats for hockey games. Abbott implied Tanenbaum’s experience with the NHL lockout and the love of hockey in Canada could result in the Raptors ownership supporting a move to cancel the NBA season.

HEAT Check: With the NHL potentially staring another lockout in the face, Tanenbaum should know that canceling a season isn’t all it’s cracked up to be if a team makes money. Heisler may be closer to the mark on this one but it’s impossible to get a good read on this one.

Summing Up

NBA fans should get an idea this week whether the owners have truly softened their bargaining position since the lockout started, as Abbott reported, or if the owners remain the same hawks that Heisler reported them to be seven months ago.  What we will probably see is that it doesn’t matter what owners — and the people around them — say to reporters.  What matters in the end is what they do.  And to see that, we just have to wait.

-Mosi


Mosi Platt (@MIA_Heat_Index) is the Miami Heat writer for the Wages of Wins Network. You can normally find him at the Miami Heat Index. In addition to making sure the  world knows the greatness of Dwyane Wade, Mosi also helps keep haters in line. Mosi makes his own lists of people who spread false information and he checks them twice thanks to his trusty Blackberry.

Dennis Rodman and Artis Gilmore: Two of the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time?

The Weekend Podcast returned from summer vacation and, in honor of Dennis Rodman and Artis Gilmore‘s inductions into the Hall of Fame, bloggers from the Wages of Wins Network debated “The Worm”, the “A-Train”, as well as eight other players that should be added to the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time.

The Cast (from the Wages of Wins Journal)

The Synopsis

Mosi published a post in February that updated the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time using Wins Produced and the Hall of Fame probability model from basketball-reference.com. Here was the method he used for updating the list:
  1. Since Wins Produced can only be calculated with statistics that go back to the 1977-78 season, any one that played the majority of their career before 1978 cannot be removed from the list.
  2. Wins Produced is great for measuring the production of a player’s game, but the 50 greatest players should have form and function. They have to look like a great player and this has to be validated by a group similar to the one that selected the original 50 greatest players. To meet that criteria, the only players that will be considered for addition to the list will be those that have a greater than 50% chance of being selected to the Hall of Fame, according to basketball-reference.com’s Hall of Fame Probability model.

Devin felt players from the 1950s and 1960s were overrated and responded to Mosi’s post with his own updated list of the 50 Greatest NBA Players using a different method.

Here is Devin’s method: For players who played their whole careers after the 1976-77 season (also known as the turnover era), I simply made use of Arturo’s handy list of the greatest players since 1978. For players who played at least part of their careers before the 1977-78 season, I used this method (click on link to see method) for estimating Wins Produced. It’s important to note that, due to the fact that the NBA didn’t keep track of steals, blocks, or turnovers during most of the pre-turnover era, the WP numbers are inflated. I also didn’t count ABA stats…

Despite the different methods, Mosi and Devin’s lists had 35 players in common. That left 15 different players from each list in limbo, so Mosi and Devin took their differences to Arturo for arbitration on a podcast. This spreadsheet lists the players Mosi and Devin debated for Arturo’s decision.

Debating the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time

Bill Sharman vs. Grant Hill. Arturo’s decision: Hill

Paul Arizin vs. Larry Nance (highlights). Arturo’s decision: Nance Neither

Pete Maravich vs. Marcus Camby. Arturo’s decision: Camby Neither

Earl Monroe vs. Paul Pierce. Arturo’s decision: Pierce

Billy Cunningham vs. Dirk Nowitzki. Arturo’s decision: Both

Rick Barry vs. Steve Nash. Arturo’s decision: Both

Dave Bing vs. LeBron James. Arturo’s decision: LeBron

Sam Jones vs. Artis Gilmore (highlights). Arturo’s decision: Gilmore

Dave DeBusschere vs. Mark Jackson (highlights). Arturo’s decision: DeBuschere Jackson Neither

(Editor Arturo’s note: If you listen all the way to the end you’ll find that the final descicion was neither. I called an audible and gave it to Dwyane Wade)

Bob Cousy vs. Shawn Marion. Arturo’s decision: Cousy

Nate Archibald vs. Ben Wallace. Arturo’s decision: Wallace

Hal Greer vs. Buck Williams (highlights). Arturo’s decision: Neither

Lenny Wilkens vs. Walt Bellamy (analysis & highlights). Arturo’s decision: Bellamy Neither

Willis Reed vs. Dikembe Mutombo. Arturo’s decision: Both

John Havlicek vs. Dennis Rodman. Arturo’s decision: Both

After arbitration, the WoW Network’s 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time were (in no particular order, with changes to the NBA’s original list marked by an asterisk):

  1. Bill Russell
  2. Bob Pettit
  3. Charles Barkley
  4. Clyde Drexler
  5. Dave Cowens
  6. David Robinson
  7. Dolph Schayes
  8. Elgin Baylor
  9. Elvin Hayes
  10. Gary Payton
  11. George Mikan
  12. Hakeem Olajuwon
  13. Jason Kidd
  14. Jerry Lucas
  15. Jerry West
  16. John Stockton
  17. Julius Erving
  18. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
  19. Karl Malone
  20. Kevin Garnett
  21. Kobe Bryant
  22. Larry Bird
  23. Magic Johnson
  24. Michael Jordan
  25. Moses Malone
  26. Nate Thurmond
  27. Oscar Robertson
  28. Patrick Ewing
  29. Robert Parish
  30. Scottie Pippen
  31. Shaquille O’Neal
  32. Tim Duncan
  33. Walt Frazier
  34. Wes Unseld
  35. Wilt Chamberlain
  36. Grant Hill*
  37. Paul Pierce*
  38. Billy Cunningham
  39. Dirk Nowitzki*
  40. Rick Barry
  41. Steve Nash*
  42. LeBron James*
  43. Artis Gilmore*
  44. Mark Jackson*  Dwyane Wade*
  45. Bob Cousy
  46. Ben Wallace*
  47. Willis Reed
  48. Dikembe Mutombo*
  49. John Havlicek
  50. Dennis Rodman*

The final list is a product of each blogger’s biases: Mosi’s respect for the old school and Hall of Fame, All-Star Team and All-NBA selections; Devin’s views on basketball in the 50s and 60s and reliance on Wins Produced to identify greatness; and Arturo’s preference for modern players, belief that big men win championships and fascination with Rodman. The interaction of all those biases made for an interesting, hour-long discussion.

You can listen to the podcast one of three ways:

What were the best and worst decisions made for the WoW Network’s 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time? Let us know in the comments section.

Note from DJ (think of this as the first comment):  The following post – from 2009 – argues that Rick Barry is probably not one of the 50 greatest players of all-time: The Better Barry

At least, I don’t think Brent Barry is one of the 50 greatest players of all-time.  And I do think Brent was a more productive player – at least per-minute – than his famous father.

Note from Arturo: I put Mr. Dwyane Wade in. Here’s the highlight reel: