40 Better Options than Darko or Bargnani

My last article looked at the players from this year’s Eurobasket who have ties to the NBA. This time I’m interested in the top players who are not in the NBA, have never played in the NBA, and who have never been drafted by an NBA team.

In this table, I’m only going to be showing players who managed to produced an estimated 0.50 wins or more. Why? Most of the NBA players managed to produce above that level, and the whole point of this exercise is to look at players who might be NBA calibre. Besides, if I included all of the non-NBA players, we’d have a list of 220 players — much too long. As it stands, this list contains 40 players.

Like last time, this list is ordered by estimated wins:

Of these 40 players, the top 25 — with the possible exception of Pero Antic, who achieved high win totals based on a large number of minutes played — definitely merit consideration for the NBA; the remaining 15 are players on the bubble. The top three players on this list — Bo McCalebb, Simas Jasaitis, and Mirza Begic — were named to the WoW all-tournament team. McCalebb was also named to the real all-tournament team. And a few of these players — McCalebb, Earl Rowland, and Henry Domercant — are US citizens who previously played in the NCAA. It is quite clear that there are many good players here.

Whenever the NBA resumes its business operations, the smartest teams will take a good look at many of these players and try to lure them over. The third path is one that is seldom trodden, but, if taken, can make the way to a championship much easier.

- Devin

Is San Antonio Hoarding International Players?

We are just the beginning. . . more will follow.

With the prospect of a shortened/non-existent NBA season looming, let’s continue our over-analysis of Eurobasket 2011! This time I’ll be looking at all the players who participated in the Eurobasket and who have ties to the NBA.

There are several European players who play in the NBA (Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Andrei Kirilenko, Tony Parker, etc), and many more whose rights are held by NBA teams. In the following table, I have compiled statistics for every player in the Eurobasket who meets one of three conditions:

  • they are currently on an NBA roster
  • they have played an NBA game
  • their rights are held by an NBA team

Now, before we continue with the list, a little disclaimer: it is very hard for me to determine whether or not teams are still holding on to the rights of the players they have drafted. It is possible that I have made some mistakes. If anyone sees any mistakes and can point me to a source with a correction, I’d appreciate it.

On with the table! The following table is ordered by estimated wins:

There are plenty of interesting numbers to pick out – for example, the performance of certain NBA players. Those numbers are there for you to examine, but I’d actually like to analyze the players who have not played any NBA games. If we look at the totals for each NBA team, here’s what it looks like:

Team

# of Players

Estimated Wins

San Antonio

5

2.53

Utah

2

2.45

Dallas

1

1.31

Minnesota

2

1.26

Washington

1

1.21

Cleveland

1

1.04

Toronto

1

0.77

New Jersey

1

0.75

Atlanta

1

0.11

OKC

1

-0.07

Indiana

1

-0.07

Portland

2

-0.13

Philadelphia

2

-0.21

Houston

1

-0.39

San Antonio has a reputation for drafting and stashing international talent, and the numbers confirm this. Many of the players on other teams were drafted in this year’s draft, but San Antonio has players going back to the 2001 draft (if anyone is wondering, Robertas Javtokas, captain of the Lithuanian team, was selected with the 55th pick that year). Of these 22 players, the standouts include:

  • Viktor Sanikidze, Georgia
  • Ante Tomic, Croatia
  • Nick Calathes, Greece
  • Emir Preldzic, Turkey

Although we must be aware of the problems of small sample sizes, each of these four players seem like they would be good NBA players. Will these players ever make it to the NBA? Only time will tell.

- Devin

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 Devin Dignam (of NBeh? “fame”) is the Toronto Raptors writer for the Wages of Wins Network. His background with the Raptors gives him unique insight into many areas including the draft, overpaid players and overrated players.

Wages of Wins Podcast: Devin Dignam about Eurobasket 2011 and the Draft

The Podcast

You can find the show here Wages of Wins Podcast – Devin Dignam International Talk

The Crew

Devin Dignam from NBeh? (Toronto Raptors blog)

Dre Alvarez (@NerdNumbers)

Show Notes

  • More international visitors in large part thanks to Devin’s recent Eurobasket 2011 posts including
  • Devin agrees with my point from the Valley of the Suns Podcast – Advanced Stats in the NBA may be cracked and improving Draft and International scouting is the next big leap.
  • Devin points out a lot of international ball is tournaments, which falls victim to small sample size (which almost altered this article)
  • Devin is happy with the Raptors international pick Jonas Valanciunas
  • The one and done rule has stopped team from taking hot high school prospects with the top 3 picks and Andrea Bargnani may have stopped teams from taking top international picks with the top 3 picks.
  • Devin throws a low blow to a Nuggets fan by bringing up Nikoloz Tskitishvili
  • Dre points out that despite the lack of international picks in the top 3 has slowed but they are still prominent in the lottery.
  • Dre and Devin agree Ricky Rubio will not likely help out the Timberwolves.
  • In spite of our bashing Andrea Bargnani and Ricky Rubio both played well in Eurobasket 2011
  • Dre says you shouldn’t overreact to tournament/playoff performance. In contrast Mosi Platt’s brother thinks Pau Gasol should be traded from the Lakers for a bad series this year.
  • When given the choice between a top NCAA pick or a good looking “mystery box” international pick Devin says he’ll stick with the NCAA player until around pick 20.
  • Interestingly enough San Antonio owns the rights to many players that played well in Eurobasket 2011
  • Did Utah have a dislike of potentially talented international players?
  • Devin points out that in the Fiba U19 and Eurobasket that awards were given using the Yay Points! method.
P.S. I know some of the RSS feed etc. is not being updated. I’m looking at changing how I produce the podcasts. I’m looking at some various other software. If anyone has good recommendations for the best way to produce a podcast on the Mac please let me know.

The “Top Performers” of Eurobasket 2011

Something that FIBA Europe did for each game during the Eurobasket was to assign a “top performer” from each team. I thought it would be interesting to take a look at these players and see if I could spot any trends in how they were determined.

Take a look at the following graph:

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Almost three quarters of the players who were designated as “top performers” by FIBA Europe led their team in Win Score, whereas only about two thirds led their team in points scored, and even fewer “top performers” led their team in Estimated Wins Produced. For interest’s sake, I also took a quick look at rebounding to get a better feel for the other categories. As you can see, rebounding is not nearly as important in determining the “top performer” as the other three statistics.

What does it mean? It means that people are starting to realize that there’s more to productivity than just scoring. If FIBA Europe valued scoring more than overall productivity, “top performers” would have led their team in points more often than in Win Score. But the opposite is the case.

We can also look at the data another way:

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Here we see the more complicated breakdown. One third of all “top performers”  led their team in Win Score, Estimated Wins, and points. About one quarter of “top performers” led their team in Win Score and Estimated Wins, but not points. Fourteen percent of “top performers” led their teams in points, but not Win Score or Estimated Wins. Thirteen percent led their teams in Win Score and points; six percent led their team in none of the three categories, as well as both Estimated Wins and points; four percent led their teams in only Win Score; and not a single “top performer” led his team solely in Estimated Wins.

Why is Win Score a better indicator of a “top performer” than Estimated Wins? To make a long story short: Win Score is a more obvious outcome than Estimated Wins. Estimated Wins are calculated on a game-by-game basis, using the average Position Adjusted Win Score per minute (PAWSmin). In some cases, this means that players with high Win Scores see their Estimated Wins suffer, because their counterpart opponents also played well. Similarly, in some cases players with lower Win Scores end up with higher Estimated Wins because their counterpart opponents played poorly. This makes total sense, by the way – in a game where every point guard is going nuts, the most productive point guard really has to outdo everyone to make a difference. In the same vein, in a game where every point guard is playing poorly, it doesn’t take much to be considered a very productive point guard.

So again we must ask the question: why, if FIBA Europe is generally more impressed by Win Score over points, did they award Juan Carlos Navarro the MVP over Pau Gasol? For starters, FIBA isn’t perfect. For example, about six percent of the “top performers” didn’t lead their teams in Win Score, Estimated Wins, or points. Second of all, the player with the highest Win Score still failed to be awarded the “top performer” honour one out of every four times.

Even still…I’m not going to let this one go: Pau Gasol was robbed.

- Devin

Devin Dignam (of NBeh? “fame”) is the Toronto Raptors writer for the Wages of Wins Network. His background with the Raptors gives him unique insight into many areas including the draft, overpaid players and overrated players.

Team Stats from Eurobasket 2011 (part II)

Two of the previous posts I wrote about the Eurobasket were about the MVP, but now I’d like to take a quick look at some team stats:

  • Rank
  • Win-loss record
  • Estimated Wins
  • Estimated Wins per 40 minutes (EWP40)
  • Team MVP
  • Team LVP

The last post contained the teams that finished in the top 12, and this post contains the teams that finished ranked 13-24. Like last time, there are a couple of familiar faces…including one that may be somewhat unexpected….


Great Britain

Rank 13th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.062
Estimated Wins 1.54
MVP L. Deng (Est. Wins: 0.96)
LVP D. Van Oostrum (Est. Wins: -0.29)

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Bosnia & Herzegovina

Rank 13th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.056
Estimated Wins 1.40
MVP H. Domercant (Est. Wins: 0.75)
LVP G. Ikonic (Est. Wins: -0.22)

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Bulgaria

Rank 13th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.052
Estimated Wins 1.30
MVP E. Rowland (Est. Wins: 1.32)
LVP D. Ivanov (Est. Wins: -0.34)

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Israel

Rank 13th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.042
Estimated Wins 1.09
MVP Y.  Halperin (Est. Wins: 0.60)
LVP Y. Green (Est. Wins: -0.33)

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Croatia

Rank 17th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.116
Estimated Wins 2.90
MVP A. Tomic (Est. Wins: 1.47)
LVP R. Stipcevic (Est. Wins: -0.21)

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Ukraine

Rank 17th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.103
Estimated Wins 2.58
MVP V. Kravtsov (Est. Wins: 0.89)
LVP M. Pustozvonov (Est. Wins: -0.28)

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Italy

Rank 17th
Record 1-4
EWP40 0.051
Estimated Wins 1.31
MVP A. Bargnani (Est. Wins: 0.60)
LVP L. Da Tome (Est. Wins: -0.25)

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Poland

Rank 17th
Record 2-3
EWP40 0.039
Estimated Wins 0.96
MVP D. Berisha (Est. Wins: 0.61)
LVP P. Szczotka (Est. Wins: -0.44)

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Montenegro

Rank 21st
Record 1-4
EWP40 0.061
Estimated Wins 1.57
MVP V. Dasic (Est. Wins: 0.60)
LVP B. Bakic (Est. Wins: -0.28)

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Latvia

Rank 21st
Record 0-5
EWP40 0.043
Estimated Wins 1.07
MVP R. Kuksiks (Est. Wins: 1.03)
LVP J. Strelnieks (Est. Wins: -0.41)

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Belgium

Rank 21st
Record 0-5
EWP40 0.009
Estimated Wins 0.22
MVP T. Van Den Spiegel (Est. Wins: 0.52)
LVP R. Oveneke (Est. Wins: -0.38)

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Portugal

Rank 21st
Record 0-5
EWP40 -0.010
Estimated Wins -0.26
MVP C. Andrade (Est. Wins: 1.07)
LVP F. da Silva (Est. Wins: -0.38)

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- Devin

Devin Dignam (of NBeh? “fame”) is the Toronto Raptors writer for the Wages of Wins Network. His background with the Raptors gives him unique insight into many areas including the draft, overpaid players and overrated players.